Post by Oleg Smirnov
An illuminating writing: the modern American foreign policy agenda follows
patterns first discovered and used in Russia's Bolshevik practice (you may
read also another somewhat related stuff here <http://goo.gl/k8D7DF>).
Trotskyist-Type Revolutions Go On Without the World Even Knowing It
BURNING POINT 20:00 02.11.2014 (updated 19:31 17.11.2014)
Now, almost a hundred years on the Soviet state is gone, but Trotskyist policy
has grown into a global threat that has never existed before.
"Trotsky" might be the code word for understanding the nature of chaos in the
Middle East and beyond. The 1917 October revolution in Russia shook the world
spreading horror of "communist atrocities" and "red terror". Now, almost a
hundred years on the Soviet state is gone, but Trotskyist policy has grown
into a global threat that has never existed before.
Says Dr. Mateusz Piskorski, Director of European Centre of Geopolitical
I think that most of the former American Trotskyists turned to neoconservative
ideas. Those are the people like Irving Kristol and his song, people like
Robert Kagan and all those elites who are forming the agenda of the
contemporary American politics, regardless of which party is in power now. I
mean, we had the neoconservative agenda during the administration of George W.
Bush, of course. It was very open at that time.
But it is still continuing. We have people like Victoria Nuland, who was
actually very active when it comes to the Ukrainian crisis. And she is the
wife of Mr. Kagan who is one of the leaders of the neoconservative movement.
Which means that the idea that lies behind the American policy, the American
way of interfering in the foreign affairs, in the affairs of other countries
is actually the same or it is quite similar.
Of course, during the Bush administration we had some voices which stated it
more openly, which more openly claimed that they are going to interfere with
the so-called hard power, which means military interference. And now we have
more focus on the so-called soft power, but anyway, the final goals of the
Obama administration and of the former Bush administration are quite similar.
Do you think we could remind our listeners of what the Trotsky theory is all
about? Is it something dealing with permanent revolution?
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: First, it is something dealing with the permanent
revolution, but, second, this is an idea which claims that there is one
universal political system, one universal civilization which should be spread
all over the world, regardless of the local traditions, of local history of
several nations. This is quite the way the Americans do their international
politics since many years.
I mean, on the one hand, they are claiming that they are a unique state which
is the only one in the world. But, on the other hand, they try to impose all
their values and also their way of thinking about the political system and the
organization of the public life onto the other countries, doing it, of course,
by force. And this is the ideological basis. Of course, we cannot forget about
the interests which lie behind all those interventions in different places.
But, anyway, from the ideological point of view, that claim that the American
system and the American system of values is the only one which is of universal
importance, is quite characteristic of the Trotskyists' way of thinking and
which is continued by the neoconservatives in the US. And this is the most
important, I would say, basis of the American foreign policy ideology in the
I suppose everyone knows that Russia has had some experience with Trotsky's
theory and practices. And something we do remember is that they are all
associated with the outmost cruelties, something that would now be described
as crimes against humanity. Do I get it right that this is also the case right
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Yes, of course. According to the idea of Trotsky's
permanent revolution the end justifies the means, all the means, which means
that all kinds of bloody terror revolutions might be organized just to bring
the final goal, which is the world revolution - the change that would embrace
all the countries of the world. And secondly, of course, to control the power
in different countries, the Americans are also using another idea of Trotsky -
the idea of a permanent revolution.
This means that during a revolution, if you bring to power one political
force, it should feel all the time the threat of being overthrown by another
political force, which is already prepared and ready. And this makes it very
obedient to those who are organizing all the so-called fake revolution
processes. In this particular case it is the US.
Of course, the instrumentalisation of the ideas of Trotsky, including the idea
of the terror of permanent revolution embracing all the world, are used or,
perhaps, some contemporary Trotskyists would say that they are abused by the
American neoconservatives since several years.
So, is there anything in common with something more known as the controlled
chaos theory? Any relations?
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Yes, of course, the modified Trotskism is behind all
the activities of the US authorities all over the world. And the way of
thinking which was presented by Trotsky in the past is still alive in the
minds of the American political elites. And this is quite interesting,
concerning that, on the one hand, the US is still rejecting all the leftist
ideas of the 20th century, regarding them as communist or dangerous left-wing
revolutionary ideas, but on the other hand, it uses very successfully the
methods which were invested by Trotsky and other Trotskyists. So, in this
case, it is just using the left-wing, perhaps, not ideology but methodology of
revolutionary activities to achieve its own goals.
It is interesting that, I suppose, it is precisely what we are witnessing in
Ukraine right now.
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Yes, I think that the Americans, after having their
successful - let's say - test of these methods during the overthrow of
President Victor Yanukovych earlier this year, are thinking that any president
of Ukraine in the future who would dare not to obey the orders from Washington
and who would dare to build the bridges between Ukraine and Russia, he will be
threatened by another Maidan or EuroMainda.
Perhaps, it will be called in another way, but there will be a new Maidan with
the new ideas voiced during it. But anyway, all the Ukrainian politicians and
leaders must feel that the fate of President Yanukovych is an example for them
to be obedient to their masters who brought them to power when Yanukovych
And that might explain why the US administration has been congratulating the
Kiev authorities with this election, though the Rada has largely become
ultra-nationalistic, not to say neo-Nazi.
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Yes, the US are legitimizing the only political force
now, which could be capable of organizing another Maidan, as we have seen in
the last months, several times during the different protests which were
organized by the ultra-nationalist camp. We could notice that this is the only
power which is still able to bring the people out in the streets in Kiev, to
organize a brutal and aggressive protests and actions. Like the one near the
Parliament, when they were throwing people into the trash bins and so on.
So, the Americans realize perfectly well that this is the only force which
could mobilize the people and which could possibly organize another so-called
revolution, for instance, if President Poroshenko would try to be more
compromising with his Russian partners. So, he must feel the threat all the
time. The threat that if he will not be obedient, he might have problems
similar to those of President Yanukovych.
And I think that President Poroshenko is actually aware of that, and that is
why he tries to appease all those ultra-nationalist forces. He tries to
symbolically support several ideas, like the idea of building a new historical
identity of Ukraine. Here, he is fulfilling the wishes of the
ultra-nationalists, by glorifying the Nazi collaborators from the times of the
So, as long as Poroshenko understands this, he will have the support of the
US. If he would try to somehow, let's say, sincerely negotiate with Russia and
try to get a compromise with Russia, he might have real troubles with his
former supporters from the US.
Mr. Trotsky used to say that real revolutionaries are located in the Wall
Street. Which might imply that he is pointing to the financial companies and
financial system. Now, we see that the EU financial system of governance is
drawing a lot of criticism from inside the EU and Hungary is the latest
example. So, do you think that the situation we have witnessed in Ukraine
might be somehow extrapolated to the EU and the old world at large?
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Well, when it comes to the EU, it is another discussion
about the extent of sovereignty of the EU as the subject of the international
law, and the extent of the American influence on the EU. If you look at
Hungary, their real problems started when Prime Minister Viktor Orbán tried
to, let's say, build bridges and the possibilities of cooperation with those
global superpowers which are not very friendly to the US - Russia, in the
first place, but then also China.
So, he tried to play a role of a country which has a pragmatic foreign policy
and which tries to cooperate with different centers of power in this world.
And the consequence was that, first, there was a campaign within the EU
against Viktor Orbán and his party. And this campaign was organized mostly by
the pro-American forces and pro-American political leaders in the EU. And
second, we had the sanctions, the black list of those people who are not
allowed to enter the US published officially by the Department of State just a
few weeks ago.
So, this is a kind of pressure exerted on a small country which still tries to
have partly independent and sovereign foreign policy. And of course, the
Hungarians are a good example of that. If the Hungarians would succeed in the
diversification of their foreign and economic relations, that would be an
example for other European countries, perhaps, including also Ukraine. I mean,
for the Ukrainians who are still talking about their European dream, as they
call it, Hungary might be a good example, that within these existing European
financial structures the so-called troika which decides on the economical
transformation of the EU countries, that even inside the EU it is not that
ideally and every country should try to build and create different options for
their external policy not depending on only one center of power.
But could the financial institutions start to react in a more decisive manner,
shall we put it that way?
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: When it comes to Hungary, we have to remember the
situation of the year 2012, when after introducing some political reforms the
Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and his cabinet were refused the financial support
and the credits from different banks which are representing the EU. Like the
European Bank of Development and Reconstruction. So, this is the kind of
financial influence exerted on those countries which are not obedient.
So, jut to round up our interview, do I get it right that Trotsky's kind of
revolutions are still going on in the world, with the world not much aware of
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski: Yes, Trotsky's kind of revolutions are organized now in
the name of the corporate interests, which of course is a paradox, that the
ideas and the methods proposed by one of the far-left thinkers are actually
used to strengthen the control and strengthen the grip of the international
capital which is politically represented by the US in the contemporary world.
So, this is a paradox from the ideological point of view, but this is how the
things are now.
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