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New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans at the End of World War Two
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J
2008-07-28 01:41:10 UTC
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New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two







By Mark Weber










Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe, did not
bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German people.
Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era that, in many
ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.

In a sobering and courageous new book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
of Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details how the
ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was systematically raped and
robbed, and how many Germans who survived the war were either killed in cold
blood or deliberately left to die of disease, cold, malnutrition or
starvation.

Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the Nazis,
some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans was inevitable
and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of Allied atrocities is
to say that the Germans "deserved what they got." But as MacDonogh
establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the totally prostrate
German people went far beyond that.

His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war, most of
whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who surrendered at
Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to their homeland.) Less
well known is the story of the many thousands of German prisoners who died
in American and British captivity, most infamously in horrid holding camps
along the Rhine river, with no shelter and very little food. Others, more
fortunate, toiled as slave labor in Allied countries, often for years.

Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the
war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold, hunger,
suicide, and mass murder.

Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in the
Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by
MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by
their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched survivors of this ethnic
cleansing were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
There were similar scenes of death and dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia
and East Prussia as the age-old German communities of those provinces were
likewise brutally expunged.

We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the end of
the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom perished
miserably.

The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn defeated
Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of modern
industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal schemes to
starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left of the
bombed-out cities.

It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change in
American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The shift in
postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion, and prompted a
calculated appeal to the German public to support the new anti-Soviet stance
of the US and Britain.

MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but enduring
propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good and Evil, and
debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied treatment of defeated
Germany.

This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death and
human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides historical
context and perspective. It is probably the best work available in English
on this shameful chapter of twentieth century history.
--
J Young
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Owner of 'LC'
DanielSan
2008-07-28 01:46:01 UTC
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New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?

Just curious.
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J
2008-07-28 01:56:16 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
DanielSan
2008-07-28 01:59:10 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
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J
2008-07-28 02:06:04 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in 1988
acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not the 4.5
million number that had been bandied about since 1945.
DanielSan
2008-07-28 02:10:27 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in 1988
acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not the 4.5
million number that had been bandied about since 1945.
What's that go to do with what you said?
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J
2008-07-28 02:17:26 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in
1988 acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not
the 4.5 million number that had been bandied about since 1945.
What's that go to do with what you said?
That reduces the number of Jews killed in these camps by a few million, the
camp that is acknowledged as the #1 killing fields for the Jews. Perhaps 1
million Jews lost their lives in all the concentration camps ( I am not
including all were were murdered by other means in other places ) The German
people lost about 2 million in these camps.
DanielSan
2008-07-28 02:24:37 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in
1988 acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not
the 4.5 million number that had been bandied about since 1945.
What's that go to do with what you said?
That reduces the number of Jews killed in these camps by a few million, the
camp that is acknowledged as the #1 killing fields for the Jews. Perhaps 1
million Jews lost their lives in all the concentration camps ( I am not
including all were were murdered by other means in other places ) The German
people lost about 2 million in these camps.
Again [Citation Needed].
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Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-28 03:56:22 UTC
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In article <***@news.alt.net>, J <***@live.com> wrote:

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Post by J
That reduces the number of Jews killed in these camps by a few million, the
No, it does not. Do try to learn something about the history you lie about
BEFORE you lie about it, ok, Bubba?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/four-million-01.html
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Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-28 03:55:23 UTC
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In article <***@news.alt.net>, J <***@live.com> wrote:

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Post by J
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in 1988
acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not the 4.5
million number that had been bandied about since 1945.
The Soviets did no such thing. They were the ones responsible for
estimating a toll of 4 million dead, based upon poor data about the
capacity of the ovens.

The Poles corrected the error, and brought their estimate in line with
what Western historians had long held to be correct: around 1.2 million.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/four-million-01.html
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Mike Painter
2008-07-28 04:03:33 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union
in 1988 acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1
million, not the 4.5 million number that had been bandied about since
1945.
Based on the Meticulous records kept by \the Germans, records that went back
in great detail many years before the war.
kixi
2008-07-30 20:31:18 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
http://tinyurl.com/5se9f3
The victors write the history books but even the former Soviet Union in 1988
acknowledged that the number of dead at Auschwitz was 1 million, not the 4.5
million number that had been bandied about since 1945.- Hide quoted text -
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The estimates of deaths at Auschwitz range down to well below the
million - deaths of all religions and nationalities - mostly from
disease - as documented in the "death books" kept by the Germans -
names, place of origin, dates, autopsy reports.

However, we are still awaiting evidence of jews dying from gassing.
Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-28 03:52:55 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
Absolute bullshit.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
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Enkidu
2008-07-28 05:20:22 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
Lost of the Germans who died *were* Jews, you ignoat Nazi scum.
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DanielSan
2008-07-28 05:28:28 UTC
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Post by J
Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
Lost of the Germans who died *were* Jews, you ignoat Nazi scum.
No, no, that's not possible. You can't be German and Jewish at the same
time. If you convert to Judaism, you have to change your citizenship to
Israel right away and shun your German heritage.

...I think. I'm so confused....

(So would my grandmother who escaped from Germany before the Nazis rose
to power. She was a devout Jew. If she had stayed in Germany, I might
not be here today.)
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Alex W.
2008-07-28 11:15:59 UTC
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Post by Enkidu
Post by J
Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
Lost of the Germans who died *were* Jews, you ignoat Nazi scum.
No, no, that's not possible. You can't be German and Jewish at the same
time. If you convert to Judaism, you have to change your citizenship to
Israel right away and shun your German heritage.
During the Third Reich, Jews were *not* German citizens; German law
explicitly stripped them of their citizenship, making them effectively
stateless.

Nowadays, it is perfectly possible for you to be Jewish and German. The
fastest-growing Jewish community in Europe is in Germany.
DanielSan
2008-07-28 11:31:57 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
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Post by J
Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in
these camps.
Lost of the Germans who died *were* Jews, you ignoat Nazi scum.
No, no, that's not possible. You can't be German and Jewish at the same
time. If you convert to Judaism, you have to change your citizenship to
Israel right away and shun your German heritage.
During the Third Reich, Jews were *not* German citizens; German law
explicitly stripped them of their citizenship, making them effectively
stateless.
They were still German, regardless of their legal status, though. They
were born in Germany. Not even the Nazis could take that away from them.
Post by Alex W.
Nowadays, it is perfectly possible for you to be Jewish and German. The
fastest-growing Jewish community in Europe is in Germany.
I'll assume you're correct because I don't really have any motivation to
check your stats. :-)
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martin
2008-07-28 12:31:14 UTC
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Post by Alex W.
Nowadays, it is perfectly possible for you to be Jewish and German. The
fastest-growing Jewish community in Europe is in Germany.
They had one hellofa low baseline to start from though.
Alex W.
2008-07-28 17:58:13 UTC
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Post by Alex W.
Nowadays, it is perfectly possible for you to be Jewish and German. The
fastest-growing Jewish community in Europe is in Germany.
They had one hellofa low baseline to start from though.
That's a fact ...
;-(
E. Barry Bruyea
2008-07-28 08:44:51 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
Math isn't your strong suit I gather.
John Baker
2008-07-28 12:03:40 UTC
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:44:51 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
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Post by J
Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
Math isn't your strong suit I gather.
Thinking isn't J's strong suit.
Syd M.
2008-07-28 20:12:32 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
That and much worse. Many more Germans than Jews lost their lives in these
camps.
Cough*Bullshit*Cough!

PDW
Syd M.
2008-07-28 20:11:50 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Does it include gassing and throwing into ovens?
Just curious.
No, no, this about brutal treatment TO Germans, not brutal treatment
BY Germans.
It's JerkYoung, ya know.

PDW
Viejo Vizcacha
2008-07-28 01:59:30 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
By Mark Weber
(tales of the horrible suffering of Germans after WWII
are snipped to save bandwidth...)
It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change in
American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The shift in
postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion, and prompted a
calculated appeal to the German public to support the new anti-Soviet stance
of the US and Britain.
So, basically, it was the existence of a Communist country that
actually saved the Germans. Interesting!

V.V.
Marcus Aurelius
2008-07-28 02:14:10 UTC
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Thank you for the post.
War is about individual and collective injustice and incivility.
An individual, whether a soldier or a citizen, is not responsible for
the unjust and/or actions of his nation in and through war.
An individual is responsible for his own unjust and/or uncivil
actions, even if his nation participates in a just war.
Injustice towards nations or individuals in and/or after war will
promulgate further wars and further injustice and uncivility.
The very oppressive and unjust terms of the Versailles treaty towards
Germany after the end of W.W. I, were, in part,
responsible for the rise of the tyrannt, Adolf Hitler, and the
extremism and aggression which he promulgated during W.W. II.
The victorious leaders of the allied nations after W.W. II hoped that
the United Nations would promulgate a more just and civil community of
nations.
The book reminds us that the lessons of W.W. II and of all wars was
lost on those individuals who promulgated unjust and uncivil acts on
Axis citizens who were not themselves guilty of anything other than
being citizens of nations which had engaged in unjust, aggressive, and
criminal wars. As a result any individual culpability or punishment
does not accrue to these citizens or soldiers.
Our current illegal, criminal, and aggressive war in Iraq is no less
worse than that of the Axis powers during W.W. II but it is clearly
unjust to hold American soldiers and our allies in the same culpable
with regard to the same.
My father served with the U.S. Army during W.W. II as an Infanry
Officers. He was seriously wounded in action at Casino, Italy.
One of his brothers was, also, an Infantry officer with the U.S. Army.
As I remember it, he participated in the D-Day Normandy Invasion.
His other brother was an Army Air Force Pilot during W.W. II.
Douglas Berry
2008-07-28 03:06:00 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Maybe God told Eisenhower to do it?

Deuteronomy 2:33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we
smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

Deuteronomy 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly
destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city,
we left none to remain
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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Stan-O
2008-07-28 03:12:54 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Hey, dipshit! This book has been out for over a year!
Smiler
2008-07-29 01:24:27 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Hey, dipshit! This book has been out for over a year!
Having a reading comprehension of a five-year-old, it takes him a long time
to read.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-28 03:52:09 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
By Mark Weber
Oops.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/w/weber-mark/
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Alex W.
2008-07-28 11:21:18 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
By Mark Weber
Oops.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/w/weber-mark/
Don't dismiss the book because it was reviewed by Weber. This is serious
historical research; it has nothing whatever to do with neo-Nazism or
holocaust denial, and it certainly does not try to exculpate the German
people. I'd consider it required reading for anyone interested in the Third
Reich.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
2008-07-28 04:05:22 UTC
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Our govt has been telling us for 60 years about how much we helped the
german people after the war!! I read a book last year about Hamburg,
the city that was obliterated by the allies and their terror bombing.
It said that the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
tried to run the city and caused mass famine.
Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-28 17:08:10 UTC
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Our govt has been telling us for 60 years about how much we helped the
german people after the war!! I read a book last year about Hamburg,
the city that was obliterated by the allies and their terror bombing.
It said that the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
tried to run the city and caused mass famine.
Please spare us the crocodile tears for the poor Germans who were bombed
as a direct result of their having started a war of aggression.

Focus instead on places like Guernica, Rotterdam and Warsaw.

Who said "the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies tried to
run the city and caused mass famine," and how does that statement relate
to the NAZI plunder of food throughout war-torn Europe?

Consider, for instance, a single secret document from Rosenberg (the
State-sponsored rapist of Europe) to Martin Bormann, dated 17th October,
1944. It furnishes a graphic account of Rosenberg's activities in the
economic exploitation of the Occupied East. I wish to quote from the first
paragraph on Page 1, which has not been read into the record. It reads:

"In order not to delay the liquidation of companies under my supervision,
I beg to point out that the companies concerned are not private firms but
business enterprises of the Reich, so that actions with regard to them,
just as with regard to Government Offices, are reserved to the highest
authorities of the Reich. I supervise the following companies."
There follows a list of nine companies - a trading company, an
agricultural development company, a supply company, a pharmaceutical
company and five banking concerns. On Page 3 of the translation at item I
(a), the mission of the trading company is stated to be, and I quote:
"Collection of all agricultural products as well as commercial marketing,
and transportation thereof. (Delivery to Armed Forces and the Reich)."

I now call your attention to item 5 of the same page. It describes the
activities of the companies as follows:
"During this period, the Z.O., that is, the Central Trading Corporation,
together with its subsidiaries has collected:

Grain..................................9,200,000 tons
Meat and meat products..................622,000
Linseed.................................950,000
Butter..................................208,000
Sugar...................................400,000
Fodder............................... 2,500,000
Potatoes ............................ 3,200,000
Seeds ................................. 141,000
Other agricultural products ......... 1,200,000
and ............................. 1,073,000,000 eggs

The following was required for transportation:

1,418,000 freight cars and 472,000 tons shipping space."

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-04/tgmwc-04-31-01.shtml

What impact do YOU think such widespread, massive thievery of foodstuffs
would have on post-war Europe?
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J
2008-07-28 04:46:47 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So, where were you on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 12:00 noon? The no-show
God(b)ot...
I had just got finished paying your mother $10 for that great blowjob she's
famous for at Union Square Park.
LC
2008-07-28 13:53:05 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
So, where were you on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 12:00 noon? The no-show
God(b)ot...
I had just got
Didn't make through grade school, hmmm?
Post by J
finished paying <for my day's supply of methadone>
Fixed it for you, "J"!

What a difference a week makes!
"J" makes a challenge to meet me at Union Square in NYC, talking smack from
behind his mother's computer:

"You're far too cowardly to show and even if you did muster the courage to
show, you're far too effeminate to do anything."
From: "J" <***@live.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:39:16 -0400
Message-ID: <***@news.alt.net>

"I'll meet you Monday May 19th at the previously agreed upon place and time.
How will I know it's you? Or will you just avoid coming and then try to save
face by insisting you were there, but just couldn't be found?...p.s. My
prediction still stands. You will not show, and if by some miracle
you do show, you will do absolutely nothing"
From: "J" ***@live.com
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:42:44 -0400
Message-ID: <***@news.alt.net>

"Lose that yellow streak down your back
and be a man for once in your pathetic life."
From: "J" <***@live.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 00:18:42 -0400
Message-ID: <***@news.alt.net>

"I'll be there because I'll be there anyway for other business. Wear a sign
you pathetic coward bastard! You will NEVER show. Until Monday, Adios."
From: "J" <***@live.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:35:46 -0400
Message-ID: <***@news.alt.net>

Noon, May 19th, I'm at Union Square with a witness and a camera, but where's
"J"?:





Run, "J", run!
Uncle Vic
2008-07-28 05:06:48 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
Fuck off, troll.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
LC
2008-07-28 14:05:11 UTC
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Post by J
In a sobering and courageous new book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
of Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details how the
ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was systematically raped
and robbed, and how many Germans who survived the war were either killed
in cold blood or deliberately left to die of disease, cold, malnutrition
or starvation.
Why do you hate America so, "J"?:

"There's more than a passing whiff of contemporary anti-Americanism in the
casual way that he throws around terms such as "the inhumane approach" of
the American victors toward the Germans. MacDonogh sees no contradiction in
mentioning that the United States honored its promise to quickly release
German POWs, or in both chastising the Americans for initiating a
too-sweeping de-Nazification effort and then for not persistently nailing
more Nazis. He off-handedly mentions the remarkable reconstruction of
Germany -- the result of the most generous occupation policy the world had
ever seen -- yet seems determined to emphasize everything that went awry.
The Americans were too harsh or too soft, according to MacDonogh, but almost
never right. The problem with After the Reich is that it gets so much of the
big picture so wrong."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082301769.html

LC~ Knows that "J" never met a Nazi he didn't worship.

"The murder and torturing of innocent victims did not cease with the
liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet troops in 1945. Dr.Alfred-Maurice de
Zayas has documented numerous instances of innocent German civilians
and those of German ancestory suffering unimaginable torture at the
hands of their Soviet, Polish, and Jewish captors."
From: "Auric Hellman" <***@volcanomail.com> aka "J".
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german,tx.politics,nyc.politics
Subject: Auschwitz, the killing continued for years
Date: 22 Jan 2005 15:00:37 -0800
Message-ID: <***@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Ivan Gowch
2008-07-28 16:42:58 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:41:10 -0400, "J" <***@live.com> wrote:

==>New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
==>at the End of World War Two


Oct. 5, 1942
Dubno, Ukraine, U.S.S.R.

"'... My foreman and I went directly to
the pits. I heard rifle shots in quick succession
from one of the earth mounds. The people who
had got off the trucks -- men, women and children
of all ages -- had to undress upon the order of an
S.S. man, who carried a riding or dog whip.

'They had to put down their clothes in fixed places,
sorted according to shoes, top clothing and
under-clothing. I saw a heap of shoes of about
800 to 1,000 pairs, great piles of under-linen and
clothing.

'Without screaming or weeping these
people undressed, stood around in family
groups, kissed each other, said farewells
and waited for a sign from another S.S. man,
who stood near the pit, also with a whip in
his hand. During the fifteen minutes that I stood
near the pit I heard no complaint or plea
for mercy...

'An old woman with snow-white hair
was holding a one-year-old child in her arms
and singing to it and tickling it. The child was
cooing with delight. The parents were looking
on with tears in their eyes. The father was holding
the hand of a boy about 10 years old and
speaking to him softly; the boy was fighting his
tears. The father pointed to the sky, stroked his
head and seemed to explain something to him.

'At that moment the S.S. man at the pit
shouted something to his comrade. The latter
counted off about twenty persons and instructed
them to go behind the earth mound . . . I well
remember a girl, slim and with black hair, who,
as she passed close to me, pointed to herself
and said: 'Twenty-three years old.'

'I walked around the mound and found
myself confronted by a tremendous grave.
People were closely wedged together and lying
on top of each other so that only their heads were
visible. Nearly all had blood running over
their shoulders from their heads. Some of
the people were still moving. Some were
lifting their arms and turning their heads to
show that they were still alive.

'The pit was already two-thirds full. I estimated that
it contained about a thousand people. I looked
for the man who did the shooting. He was an
S.S. man, who sat at the edge of the narrow end
of the pit, his feet dangling into the pit. He had a
tommy gun on his knees and was smoking a
cigarette.

'The people, completely naked, went
down some steps and clambered over the
heads of the people lying there to the place
to which the S.S. man directed them. They
lay down in front of the dead or wounded
people; some caressed those who were still
alive and spoke to them in a low voice.

'Then I heard a series of shots. I looked into the
pit and saw that the bodies were twitching or
their heads lying already motionless on top of
the bodies that lay beneath them. Blood was
running from their necks.

'The next batch was approaching already.
They went down into the pit, lined themselves up
against the previous victims and were shot. And so it
went, batch after batch.'

"The next morning the German engineer returned to the
site.

'I saw about thirty naked people lying near
the pit. Some of them were still alive . . . Later the
Jews still alive were ordered to throw the
corpses into the pit. Then they themselves had
to lie down in this to be shot in the neck . . . I
swear before God that this is the absolute truth.'"

- Hermann Graebe, quoted by a prosecutor
at the Nuremberg trials, concerning the murder
of Dubno's 5,000 Jews.

From The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William
L. Shirer

"A thousand years will pass and the
guilt of Germany will not be erased." - Hans Frank,
governor-general of Poland, before he was hanged
at Nuremberg





















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Robert Sveinson
2008-07-29 23:55:41 UTC
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Post by Ivan Gowch
==>New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
==>at the End of World War Two
Is the title of that book: Other Losses by James Bacque?
Kenneth McVay OBC
2008-07-30 17:28:54 UTC
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Post by Robert Sveinson
Post by Ivan Gowch
==>New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
==>at the End of World War Two
Is the title of that book: Other Losses by James Bacque?
A seriously flawed work, although it did document abuse of German POWs.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html
--
"But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
h***@yahoo.com
2008-07-30 00:01:53 UTC
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Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
By Mark Weber
Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe, did not
bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German people.
Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era that, in many
ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.
In a sobering and courageous new book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
of Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details how the
ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was systematically raped and
robbed, and how many Germans who survived the war were either killed in cold
blood or deliberately left to die of disease, cold, malnutrition or
starvation.
Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the Nazis,
some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans was inevitable
and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of Allied atrocities is
to say that the Germans "deserved what they got." But as MacDonogh
establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the totally prostrate
German people went far beyond that.
His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.
A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war, most of
whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who surrendered at
Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to their homeland.)  Less
well known is the story of the many thousands of German prisoners who died
in American and British captivity, most infamously in horrid holding camps
along the Rhine river, with no shelter and very little food. Others, more
fortunate, toiled as slave labor in Allied countries, often for years.
Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the
war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold, hunger,
suicide, and mass murder.
Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in the
Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by
MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by
their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched survivors of this ethnic
cleansing were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
There were similar scenes of death and dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia
and East Prussia as the age-old German communities of those provinces were
likewise brutally expunged.
We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the end of
the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom perished
miserably.
The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn defeated
Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of modern
industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal schemes to
starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left of the
bombed-out cities.
It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change in
American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The shift in
postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion, and prompted a
calculated appeal to the German public to support the new anti-Soviet stance
of the US and Britain.
MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but enduring
propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good and Evil, and
debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied treatment of defeated
Germany.
This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death and
human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides historical
context and perspective. It is probably the best work available in English
on this shameful chapter of twentieth century history.
--
J Young
Owner of 'LC'
and it is very striking that so many germans and russians were taken
to war crime trials after the end of WWII, but very few, if any
Westerners were.
chatnoir
2008-07-30 01:18:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by J
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
By Mark Weber
Germany's defeat in May 1945, and the end of World War II in Europe, did not
bring an end to death and suffering for the vanquished German people.
Instead the victorious Allies ushered in a horrible new era that, in many
ways, was worse than the destruction wrought by war.
In a sobering and courageous new book, After the Reich: The Brutal History
of Allied Occupation, British historian Giles MacDonogh details how the
ruined and prostrate Reich (including Austria) was systematically raped and
robbed, and how many Germans who survived the war were either killed in cold
blood or deliberately left to die of disease, cold, malnutrition or
starvation.
Many people take the view that, given the wartime misdeeds of the Nazis,
some degree of vengeful violence against the defeated Germans was inevitable
and perhaps justified. A common response to reports of Allied atrocities is
to say that the Germans "deserved what they got." But as MacDonogh
establishes, the appalling cruelties inflicted on the totally prostrate
German people went far beyond that.
His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and
civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.
A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war, most of
whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who surrendered at
Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to their homeland.)  Less
well known is the story of the many thousands of German prisoners who died
in American and British captivity, most infamously in horrid holding camps
along the Rhine river, with no shelter and very little food. Others, more
fortunate, toiled as slave labor in Allied countries, often for years.
The Americans had experience in doing such from the Indin Reservations
and on the Philippinos during the war to colonize the Philippines!
Post by h***@yahoo.com
Post by J
Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the
war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold, hunger,
suicide, and mass murder.
Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in the
Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by
MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by
their vengeful Czech compatriots. The wretched survivors of this ethnic
cleansing were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
There were similar scenes of death and dispossession in Pomerania, Silesia
and East Prussia as the age-old German communities of those provinces were
likewise brutally expunged.
We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich's wartime concentration
camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau,
Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the end of
the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom perished
miserably.
The vengeful plan by US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau to turn defeated
Germany into an impoverished "pastoral" country, stripped of modern
industry, is recounted by MacDonogh, as well as other genocidal schemes to
starve, sterilize or deport the population of what was left of the
bombed-out cities.
It wasn't an awakening of humanitarian concern that prompted a change in
American and British attitudes toward the defeated Germans. The shift in
postwar policy was based on fear of Soviet Russian expansion, and prompted a
calculated appeal to the German public to support the new anti-Soviet stance
of the US and Britain.
MacDonogh's important book is an antidote to the simplistic but enduring
propaganda portrait of World War II as a clash between Good and Evil, and
debunks the widely accepted image of benevolent Allied treatment of defeated
Germany.
This 615-page volume is much more than a gruesome chronicle of death and
human suffering. Enhanced with moving anecdotes, it also provides historical
context and perspective. It is probably the best work available in English
on this shameful chapter of twentieth century history.
--
J Young
Owner of 'LC'
and it is very striking that so many germans and russians were taken
to war crime trials after the end of WWII, but very few, if any
Westerners were.
Rooskies taken to War Crime trials?
Frank Arthur
2008-07-30 20:37:10 UTC
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<***@yahoo.com>

Buchanan, MacDonogh, Pilger Books Explode Illusion Of American
Exceptionalism
by Paul Craig Roberts
The slaughtering of foreigners doesn't seem to bother the American
public. Americans take it for granted that Americans are superior and
that American purposes, whatever they be, take precedence over the
rights of other people to life and to a political existence
independent of American hegemony.
July 1, 2008-Which country is the rogue nation? Iraq? Iran? Or the
United States? Syndicated columnist Charley Reese asks this question
in a recently published article.

Reese notes that it is the US that routinely commits "acts of
aggression around the globe." The US government has no qualms about
dropping bombs on civilians whether they be in Serbia, the Middle
East, or Africa. It is all in a good cause-our cause.

This slaughtering of foreigners doesn't seem to bother the American
public. Americans take it for granted that Americans are superior and
that American purposes, whatever they be, take precedence over the
rights of other people to life and to a political existence
independent of American hegemony.

The Bush regime has come up with a preemption doctrine that justifies
attacking a country in order to prevent the country from possibly
becoming a future threat to the US. "Threat" is broadly defined. It
appears to mean the ability to withstand the imposition of US
hegemony. This insane doctrine justifies attacking China and Russia, a
direction in which the Republican presidential candidate John McCain
seems to lean.

The callousness of Americans toward the lives of other peoples is
stunning. How many Christian churches ask God's forgiveness for having
been rushed into an error that has killed, maimed, and displaced a
quarter of the Iraqi population?

How many Christian churches ask God to give better guidance to our
government so that it does not repeat the error and crime by attacking
Iran?

The indifference of Americans to others flows from "American
Exceptionalism", the belief that Americans are graced with a special
mission to impose their virtue on the rest of the world. Like the
French revolutionaries, Americans don't seem to care how many people
they kill in the process of spreading their exceptionalism.

American Exceptionalism has swelled Americans' heads, filling them
with hubris and self-righteousness and making Americans believe that
they are the salt of the earth.

Three recent books are good antidotes for this unjustified
self-esteem. One is Patrick J. Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler, and the
Unnecessary War. Another is After the Reich: The Brutal History of the
Allied Occupation by Giles MacDonogh, and a third is John Pilger's
Freedom Next Time.

Buchanan's latest book is by far his best. It is spell-binding from
his opening sentence: "All about us we can see clearly now that the
West is passing away." As the pages turn, the comfortable myths,
produced by history written by the victors, are swept aside. The veil
is lifted to reveal the true faces of British and American
Exceptionalism: stupidity and deceit.

Buchanan's strength is that he lets the story be told by Britain's
greatest 20th century historians and the memoirs of the participants
in the events that destroyed the West's dominance and moral character.
Buchanan's contribution is to assemble the collective judgment of a
hundred historians.

As I read the tale, it is a story of hubris destroying judgment and
substituting in its place blunder and miscalculation. Both World Wars
began when England, for no sound or sensible reason, declared war on
Germany. Winston Churchill was a prime instigator of both wars. He
seems to have been a person who needed a war stage in order to be a
"great man."

The American President Woodrow Wilson shares responsibility with
Britain and France for the Versailles Treaty, which dismembered
Germany, stripping her of territory and putting millions of Germans
under foreign rule, and imposed reparations that Britain's greatest
economist, John Maynard Keynes, correctly predicted to be unrealistic.
All of this was done in violation of assurances given to Germany that
there would be no reparations or boundary changes. Once Germany
surrendered, the assurances were withdrawn, and a starvation blockade
forced German submission to the new harsh terms.

Hitler's program was to put Germany back together. He was succeeding
without war until Churchill provoked Chamberlain into an insane act.
Danzig was 95 percent German. It had been given to Poland by the
Versailles Treaty. Hitler was negotiating its return and offered in
exchange a guarantee of Poland's frontiers. The Polish colonels,
assessing the relative strengths of Poland and Germany, understood
that a deal was better than a war. But suddenly, the British Prime
Minister issued Poland a guarantee of its existing territory,
including Danzig, whose inhabitants wished to return to Germany.

Buchanan produces one historian after another to testify that British
miscalculations and blunders, culminating in Chamberlain's worthless
and provocative "guarantee" to Poland, brought the West into a war
that Hitler did not want, a war that destroyed the British Empire and
left Britain a dependency of America, a war that delivered Poland, a
chunk of Germany, all of Eastern Europe, and the Baltic states to
Joseph Stalin, a war that left the Western allies with a 45-year Cold
War against the nuclear-armed Soviet Union.

People resist the shattering of their illusions, and many are angry
with Buchanan for assembling the facts of the case that distinguished
historians have provided.

Churchill admirers are outraged that their hero is revealed as the
first war criminal of World War II. It was Churchill who initiated the
policy of terror bombing civilians in non-combatant areas. Buchanan
quotes B.H. Liddell Hart: "When Mr. Churchill came into power, one of
the first decisions of his government was to extend bombing to the
non-combatant area."

In holding Churchill to account, Buchanan makes no apologies for
Hitler, but the ease with which Churchill set aside moral
considerations is discomforting.

Buchanan documents that Churchill's plan was to destroy 50% of German
homes. Churchill also had plans for using chemical and biological
warfare against German civilians. In 2001 the Glasgow Sunday Herald
reported Churchill's plan to drop five million anthrax cakes onto
German pastures in order to poison the cattle and through them the
people. Churchill instructed the RAF to consider drenching "the cities
of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany" with poison gas "in such
a way that most of the population would be requiring constant medical
attention."

"It is absurd to consider morality on this topic," the great man
declared.

Paul Johnson, a favorite historian of conservatives, notes that
Churchill's policy of terror bombing civilians was "approved in
cabinet, endorsed by parliament and, so far as can be judged,
enthusiastically backed by the bulk of the British people." Thus, the
terror bombing of civilians, which "marked a critical stage in the
moral declension of humanity in our times," fulfilled "all the
conditions of the process of consent in a democracy under law."

British historian F.J.P. Veale concluded that Churchill's policy of
indiscriminate bombing of civilians caused an unprecedented "reversion
to primary and total warfare" associated with "Sennacherib, Genghis
Khan, and Tamerlane."

The Americans were quick to follow Churchill's lead. General Curtis
LeMay boasted of his raid on Tokyo: "We scorched and boiled and baked
to death more people in Tokyo that night of March 9-10 than went up in
vapor in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined."

MacDonogh's book, After the Reich, dispels the comfortable myth of
generous allied treatment of defeated Germany. Having discarded all
moral scruples, the allies fell upon the vanquished country with
brutal occupation. Hundreds of thousands of women raped; hundreds of
thousands of Germans died in deportations; a million German prisoners
of war died in captivity.

MacDonogh calculates that 2.5 million Germans died between the
liberation of Vienna and the Berlin airlift.

Nigel Jones wrote in the conservative London Sunday Telegraph (April
18 2007): "MacDonogh has told a very inconvenient truth," a story long
"cloaked in silence since telling it suited no one."

The hypocrisy of the Nuremberg trials is that the victors were also
guilty of crimes for which the vanquished were punished. The purpose
of the trials was to demonize the defeated in order to divert
attention from the allies' own war crimes. The trials had little to do
with justice.

In Freedom Next Time, Pilger shows the complete self-absorption of
American, British and Israeli governments whose policies are unimpeded
by any moral principle.

Pilger documents the demise of the inhabitants of Diego Garcia. The
Americans wanted Diego Garcia for an air base, so the British packed
up the 2,000 residents, people with British passports under British
protection, and deported them to Mauritius, one thousand miles away.

To cover up its crime against humanity, the British Foreign and
Commonwealth Office created the fiction that the inhabitants, which
had been living in the archipelago for two or three centuries, were "a
floating population." This fiction, wrote a legal adviser, bolsters
"our arguments that the territory has no indigenous or settled
population."

Prime Minister Harold Wilson and Foreign Secretary Michael Stewart
conspired to mislead the UN about the deported islanders by, in
Stewart's words, " presenting any move as a change of employment for
contract workers-rather than as a population resettlement."

Pilger interviewed some of the displaced persons, but emotional blocs
will shield patriotic Americans and British from the uncomfortable
facts. Rational skeptics can find a second documented account of the
Anglo-American rape of Diego Garcia online here. An entire people were
swept away.

Two thousand people were in the way of an American purpose-an air
base-so we had our British dependency deport them.

Several million Palestinians are in Israel's way. Pilger's documented
account of Israel's crushing of the Palestinians shows that our
"democratic ally" in the Middle East is capable of any evil and has no
remorse or mercy. Israel is an apt student of the British and American
empires' attitudes toward lesser beings. They simply don't count.

Those who are the salt of the earth take precedence over everything.


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