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Worse is Better. Why White Nationalists are Supporting Obama.
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WE...are the Good Guys
2008-05-07 20:58:01 UTC
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Is Worse Better? Some Surprising White Support For Obama

By Peter Bradley

If you pay a visit to Barack Obama's official campaign website, you
will find a host of subgroups in the "People" section boosting his
candidacy. The man who will help us overcome race has separate
categories for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, Latinos, First
Americans (he is not talking about the ancestors of Kennewick Man)
and, of course, African Americans. If you are white and racist enough
to notice you are not part of Obama's rainbow, don't worry. You can
still join groups for students, women, veterans or the LGBT crowd.

If you are just what Obama notoriously called a "typical white person"
who is not part of these groups, then you are out of luck. But maybe
not for much longer.

A significant number of white race activists—they often call
themselves "white nationalists", analogous to black nationalists,
Hispanic nationalists or Zionists and not the same thing as white
supremacists—are supporting an Obama presidency as the lesser of two
evils and, possibly, the catalyst for a wake up call for white
America.

Newhouse News reporter Jonathan Tilove covered the 2008 American
Renaissance conference in late February and quoted a number of whites
who were ready to support the Senator from Illinois.

"We are facing the election of Barack Obama, or, even worse, McCain,"
said Sam Dickson, Atlanta attorney and longtime racial activist during
his closing speech. [A View Of Obama From The Trenches Of White
Nationalism, February 27, 2008) ]

Maryland attorney Howard Fezell wondered if black racial loyalty to
Obama could make some whites wonder why they can't do the same. "Only
white voters are expected to look beyond race," he said.

Even Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, praised Obama's
campaign strategy and stated that he does not know who he will vote
for in November.

Paul Gottfried, who also spoke at the event, speculated that most of
the over 250 people in attendance would most likely support Obama over
McCain. "Better a black who is honest about who he is than a
conservative who is really delivering the liberal agenda," declared
Gottfried.

There seem to be three main reasons for this unexpected support for
Obama's candidacy.
bullet First: John McCain's stands on affirmative action, immigration,
official English, the Confederate flag, and other racially-tinged
issues are, in fact, pretty much the same as Obama's.

The Republican nominee recently told a black audience that his vote
against the MLK holiday was the greatest mistake of his political
career. He equates immigration reform with "bigotry." As I write this,
McCain is promising a renewed "War on Poverty" and criticizing an ad
by North Carolina Republicans that draws attention to the race-baiting
comments of Obama's spiritual mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Larry Auster of the mildly white-nationalist View from the Right blog
writes: "at least the Democratic president, as he welcomes Al Sharpton
to the White House, won't be giving us lectures on 'true
conservatism.'" Auster views McCain as a virtual death sentence for
conservatism in America.
bullet Second: Iraq and neoconservative foreign policy. Almost all
paleoconservatives and paleolibertarians are against the war and
interventionism abroad.

If we must have race quotas and amnesties, at least a President Obama
would get us out of a costly war. McCain could well get us into an
even deadlier conflict with Iran.
bullet Third, and most important: an Obama presidency could shake up
the current racial dynamics and bring about an end to white guilt and
passivity over racial issues.

As Jared Taylor told Jonathan Tilove, "I think many smarter, far-
thinking blacks are going to be worried that any time they start
talking about discrimination, certainly institutional racism, people
are going to say, 'Hey, look, you've got a black president for
heaven's sake.'"

TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"

The Obama record on race is eye-opening for those who will look. The
racialism of his autobiography, the anti-white comments of his wife
and of his spiritual mentor, his attendance at Louis Farrakhan's
Million Man March, his support for the Jena Six race attackers, his
insulting "race speech" and slurs about "typical whites" and "bitter"
people in rural America all point to a man who has more in common with
Al Sharpton than Ward Connerly.

Marcus Epstein agrees on the potential for a white backlash. "We can
be sure that a president Obama will be push for the same anti-white
policies of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, while posing as a post-
racial unifier," he says. "The question is whether or not the public
will buy that facade."

As director of Pat Buchanan's American Cause, Epstein receives quite a
bit of feedback from blacks on the true meaning of an Obama
presidency. One of the more printable responses came from a black man
who told him: "You [presumably whites] have had 100 [sic]presidents,
why can’t we have one?"

The whites who support Obama tend to be young, affluent liberals who
truly believe the Obama campaign is about racial unity. But blacks are
not supporting Obama so they can hold hands and sing Dave Matthews
songs with rich white kids from the suburbs (I recently saw a news
clip of a free Dave Matthews concert given in support of Obama and
literally every face in the crowd was white).

Clearly these two main groups of Obama supporters are on a collision
course.

It is not hard to predict which race is in for a rude awakening.

Personally, I plan to vote for the Constitution Party which just
nominated Chuck Baldwin as its presidential candidate. Baldwin is an
immigration patriot and a strong conservative on all issues. A vote
for him will send a clear message to the GOP that the McCain-Bush type
of Republican Party is unacceptable and unworthy of support.

But an Obama presidency at least offers the possibility of an
energized right wing movement in which paleos and whites of the Jared
Taylor-Sam Francis school can find a home.

Just as forced integration and busing woke up many northern white
ethnics in the 1960s and 70s, a black race-driven president who uses
his office to excuse black rioters and defend black gangs who attack
white kids will be a real eye-opener for many a nice white liberal—to
say nothing of the slumbering "conservative" masses.

Peter Bradley writes from Washington, D.C.

http://www.vdare.com/bradley/080505_obama.htm

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nick hull
2008-05-08 12:06:21 UTC
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Post by WE...are the Good Guys
TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"
Considering the economic mess the next president will inherit, Obama
could be the last black president in our lifetime. Anyone for
re-electing Hoover?

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Herb Martin
2008-05-08 11:30:23 UTC
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Post by nick hull
In article
??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys"
Post by WE...are the Good Guys
TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"
Considering the economic mess the next president will inherit, Obama
could be the last black president in our lifetime. Anyone for
re-electing Hoover?
The economy is NOT in bad shape -- that is just a media talking point.

Oil problem is easily fixable -- drill, let the price rise to force
conservation,
build refineries, build NUCLEAR plants, etc.

Housing problem isn't that bad either. Mostly let them be foreclosed,
maybe control the rate of foreclosure a bit to prevent panic, and get
people who are not qualified out of those big loans and teach lenders
not to MAKE THOSE LOANS.

BTW, the oil companies are NOT enjoying excessive profits and who
owns the oil companies? Mostly pension plans and retirement funds
and regular Americans.
Starkiller
2008-05-08 12:02:35 UTC
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Post by nick hull
In article
??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys"
Post by WE...are the Good Guys
TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"
Considering the economic mess the next president will inherit, Obama
could be the last black president in our lifetime. Anyone for
re-electing Hoover?
The economy is NOT in bad shape -- that is just a media talking point.
Oil problem is easily fixable -- drill, let the price rise to force
conservation,
build refineries, build NUCLEAR plants, etc.
Housing problem isn't that bad either. Mostly let them be foreclosed,
maybe control the rate of foreclosure a bit to prevent panic, and get
people who are not qualified out of those big loans and teach lenders
not to MAKE THOSE LOANS.
BTW, the oil companies are NOT enjoying excessive profits and who
owns the oil companies? Mostly pension plans and retirement funds
and regular Americans.
Which is just another reason for the left to despise the Oil
companies. All those nasty old pension plans and retirement funds
represent people that won't have to be dependant on SSI when they
retire. People that don't need government entitlements to survive is
the last thing that the left wants to see.


Regards


Starkiller
acmeinc
2008-05-08 12:09:11 UTC
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Post by Starkiller
Which is just another reason for the left to despise the Oil
companies. All those nasty old pension plans and retirement funds
represent people that won't have to be dependant on SSI when they
retire. People that don't need government entitlements to survive is
the last thing that the left wants to see.
Regards
Starkiller
Pension plans based on stock holdings, the 4+ series, are not the sure
things you think they are. While good they are not dependable like a
defined pension plan. Secondly just how much of this profit is being
transferred to the shareholders such as dividend increases? Nope this oil
runup is another example of greed and how greed manipulates a product.
People use the word "market" like it is a separate living thing, it is not.
It is greedy people coupled with very low margin requirements.
Gray Ghost
2008-05-09 00:46:45 UTC
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Post by Herb Martin
Post by nick hull
In article
??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys"
Post by WE...are the Good Guys
TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"
Considering the economic mess the next president will inherit, Obama
could be the last black president in our lifetime. Anyone for
re-electing Hoover?
The economy is NOT in bad shape -- that is just a media talking point.
Oil problem is easily fixable -- drill, let the price rise to force
conservation,
build refineries, build NUCLEAR plants, etc.
Housing problem isn't that bad either. Mostly let them be foreclosed,
maybe control the rate of foreclosure a bit to prevent panic, and get
people who are not qualified out of those big loans and teach lenders
not to MAKE THOSE LOANS.
BTW, the oil companies are NOT enjoying excessive profits and who
owns the oil companies? Mostly pension plans and retirement funds
and regular Americans.
Yep, I did the math. ExxonMobile made 40 billion profit on 400 billion in
gross sales. And paid nearly 30 billion in taxes to Uncle.

10% of gross receipts for profits. That means if you had $100,000 in gross
sales you would net $10,000. I don't think I''d be very happy with that
myself. $100,000 on $1,000,000 sales sounds a bit better.

And you are correct, a lot of people own oil stock. If you stiff the oil
companiers you stiff the little guy who invested in safe, steady growth
stock, not the wild speculators.

Does nobody understand economics anymore?

Frank

Starkiller
2008-05-08 12:17:47 UTC
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Post by nick hull
In article
??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys"
Post by WE...are the Good Guys
TakiMag's Christopher Roach made the point that an Obama presidency
could make whites more racially aware even more bluntly: "a political
equivalent of the O.J. Trial for four years might be the right
catalyst for this sort of 'consciousness raising.'"
Considering the economic mess the next president will inherit, Obama
could be the last black president in our lifetime. Anyone for
re-electing Hoover?
Many presidents have inherited a hell of a lot worse than what the
next one will. We are still here. They managed fine. Look at what
FDR and Reagan inherited just to name a couple.
If Obama isn't up to the task then maybe he shouldn't be in the race.
The two mentioned had a lot more than a 5% unemployment rate and
higher gas prices to deal with and both ended up being multiple term
presidents when it was all said and done.
If folks are going to vote for Obama simply because of the color of
his skin then they deserve whatever screwed up mess and misery that
they get.
People here consistently vote for Willie Herrenten because of skin
color. He screams racism every election cycle. He is now closing
several of our public schools, 5 public libraries, several community
centers, and is raising taxes because the tax base is fleeing the
city.
Anytime anyone questions his actions he screams racism.
He is hiring 2.7 employees per day(new employees) on the city payroll
even though the city's population is shrinking.
We now have the highest taxes of any city in the state along with the
highest paid mayor in the nation.(thanks to the fat raise he gave
himself)
So everyone go right ahead and vote your skin color instead of common
sense.

Regards


Starkiller
Herb Martin
2008-05-08 12:34:03 UTC
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Post by Starkiller
Which is just another reason for the left to despise the Oil
companies. All those nasty old pension plans and retirement funds
represent people that won't have to be dependant on SSI when they
retire. People that don't need government entitlements to survive is
the last thing that the left wants to see.
Regards
Starkiller
Pension plans based on stock holdings, the 4+ series, are not the sure
things you think they are. While good they are not dependable like a
defined pension plan. Secondly just how much of this profit is being
transferred to the shareholders such as dividend increases? Nope this
oil
runup is another example of greed and how greed manipulates a product.
Greed by WHOM? The oil company profits are in line or LOWER
than other successful industries....

The only UNREASONABLE profits are those that truly meet the
standards of monopoly (see OPEC perhaps) or other antitrust violatations.
Post by acmeinc
People use the word "market" like it is a separate living thing, it is
not.
It is greedy people coupled with very low margin requirements.
It's PEOPLE owning STOCK.

Or companies doing BUSINESS.

Nothing wrong with either -- in fact without these there would be NO
TAXES to pay for give aways.
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