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186282@ud0s4.net
2024-10-15 03:28:32 UTC
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. . .

Well, most countries ........ :-(

The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
equalizes the political power/value of each
individual state.

It IS the "United STATES of America", not the
"People's Imperial Republic" or whatever. People
are valued, but each member state as well. The EC
kinda splits the difference and makes everybody
much happier, improves stability.

Those in the USA who want to abolish the EC are
almost exclusively further-left elements who
wish to politically silence all but a few high-
pop areas they usually control.
John Doe
2024-10-15 03:43:21 UTC
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. . .
  Well, most countries ........  :-(
  The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
  behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
  equalizes the political power/value of each
  individual state.
  It IS the "United STATES of America", not the
  "People's Imperial Republic" or whatever. People
  are valued, but each member state as well. The EC
  kinda splits the difference and makes everybody
  much happier, improves stability.
  Those in the USA who want to abolish the EC are
  almost exclusively further-left elements who
  wish to politically silence all but a few high-
  pop areas they usually control.
As it is, the EC gives a WAY outsized influence to no more than a
half-dozen or so swing states. That doesn't feel healthy or reasonable
to me.

The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Gronk
2024-10-21 05:18:20 UTC
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. . .
   Well, most countries ........  :-(
   The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
   behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
   equalizes the political power/value of each
   individual state.
   It IS the "United STATES of America", not the
   "People's Imperial Republic" or whatever. People
   are valued, but each member state as well. The EC
   kinda splits the difference and makes everybody
   much happier, improves stability.
   Those in the USA who want to abolish the EC are
   almost exclusively further-left elements who
   wish to politically silence all but a few high-
   pop areas they usually control.
As it is, the EC gives a WAY outsized influence to no more than a
half-dozen or so swing states. That doesn't feel healthy or reasonable
to me.
A reflection of that is presidential candidates
campaign mostly in those states. Further, a minority
of states, those with the most electoral votes,
wins the election, so why visit others?
Post by John Doe
The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
Governor Swill
2024-10-21 23:41:22 UTC
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A reflection of that is presidential candidates
campaign mostly in those states. Further, a minority
of states, those with the most electoral votes,
wins the election, so why visit others?
Because the EC votes of the vast majority of states is known in advance. For
example, any Dem candidate is going to win California with a double digit margin
just as any Republican candidate is going to win Texas with a double digit
margin.

That said, Trump's lead in Texas is only 5% this time around. But with the EC,
a 1 point win is as good as 20.
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186282@ud0s4.net
2024-10-22 00:28:38 UTC
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. . .
   Well, most countries ........  :-(
   The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
   behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
   equalizes the political power/value of each
   individual state.
   It IS the "United STATES of America", not the
   "People's Imperial Republic" or whatever. People
   are valued, but each member state as well. The EC
   kinda splits the difference and makes everybody
   much happier, improves stability.
   Those in the USA who want to abolish the EC are
   almost exclusively further-left elements who
   wish to politically silence all but a few high-
   pop areas they usually control.
As it is, the EC gives a WAY outsized influence to no more than a
half-dozen or so swing states. That doesn't feel healthy or reasonable
to me.
A reflection of that is presidential candidates
campaign mostly in those states. Further, a minority
of states, those with the most electoral votes,
wins the election, so why visit others?
Post by John Doe
The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
the states but may be more tamper-resistant.

When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
there seemed to be infinite land for people to
spread out into.

Another issue at the time, which still persists,
is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
the op to find someplace more generally to their
liking and thinking.

Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
repeating structure and institutions from the top
down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
wipe out the entire thing.

More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
"Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
traditional way things are broken up into districts
encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
want to keep the peace.
John Doe
2024-10-22 00:48:48 UTC
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. . .
   Well, most countries ........  :-(
   The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
   behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
   equalizes the political power/value of each
   individual state.
   It IS the "United STATES of America", not the
   "People's Imperial Republic" or whatever. People
   are valued, but each member state as well. The EC
   kinda splits the difference and makes everybody
   much happier, improves stability.
   Those in the USA who want to abolish the EC are
   almost exclusively further-left elements who
   wish to politically silence all but a few high-
   pop areas they usually control.
As it is, the EC gives a WAY outsized influence to no more than a
half-dozen or so swing states. That doesn't feel healthy or
reasonable to me.
A reflection of that is presidential candidates
campaign mostly in those states. Further, a minority
of states, those with the most electoral votes,
wins the election, so why visit others?
Post by John Doe
The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
  You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
  advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
  the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
  When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
  of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
  It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
  there seemed to be infinite land for people to
  spread out into.
  Another issue at the time, which still persists,
  is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
  and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
  State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
  the op to find someplace more generally to their
  liking and thinking.
  Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
  repeating structure and institutions from the top
  down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
  but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
  wipe out the entire thing.
  More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
  "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
  traditional way things are broken up into districts
  encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
  I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
  want to keep the peace.
I totally agree. Gerrymandering is either the biggest issue or one of
the top two or three. It's anti-democratic and another form of pulling
up the ladder once one has succeeded.
Chris Ahlstrom
2024-10-22 10:19:55 UTC
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More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
"Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
traditional way things are broken up into districts
encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
want to keep the peace.
Can you say REDMAP? The site brags about how well it worked in 2010:

https://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/

REDMAP is discussed in this book, described here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratf**ked

Ratf**ked: The True Story Behind the Secret Plan to Steal America's
Democracy is a 2016 book by David Daley that discusses efforts by
some Republican political operatives, including Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie and
Chris Jankowski, to exploit redistricting processes around the United
States in order to gain greater control of the American Congress, under a
project called REDMAP.
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the streets after them.
-- Bill Vaughn
Gronk
2024-10-28 05:17:00 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
  You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
  advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
  the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
  When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
  of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
  It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
  there seemed to be infinite land for people to
  spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
  Another issue at the time, which still persists,
  is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
  and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
  State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
  the op to find someplace more generally to their
  liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
  repeating structure and institutions from the top
  down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
  but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
  wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
  "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
  traditional way things are broken up into districts
  encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
  I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
  want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-10-28 05:27:57 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
Ah ... neo-Marxist :-)
Post by Gronk
   When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
   of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
   It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
   there seemed to be infinite land for people to
   spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
Nope.
Post by Gronk
   Another issue at the time, which still persists,
   is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
   and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
   State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
   the op to find someplace more generally to their
   liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
Um ... both derive from similar thinking/issues.
Post by Gronk
   Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
   repeating structure and institutions from the top
   down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
   but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
   wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
"Educational" - so be educated.
Post by Gronk
   More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
   "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
   traditional way things are broken up into districts
   encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
   I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
   want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
The House isn't important ???

Guess we can just save time and money and
get RID of it then .......
John Doe
2024-10-29 03:43:25 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
  Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
It's so cool to have one totally meaningless insult for everyone who
disagrees with you.
Post by Gronk
   When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
   of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
   It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
   there seemed to be infinite land for people to
   spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
  Nope.
Post by Gronk
   Another issue at the time, which still persists,
   is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
   and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
   State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
   the op to find someplace more generally to their
   liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  Um ... both derive from similar thinking/issues.
Post by Gronk
   Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
   repeating structure and institutions from the top
   down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
   but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
   wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  "Educational" - so be educated.
Post by Gronk
   More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
   "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
   traditional way things are broken up into districts
   encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
   I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
   want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
  The House isn't important ???
  Guess we can just save time and money and
  get RID of it then .......
Gronk
2024-11-04 05:48:12 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
  Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Post by Gronk
   When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
   of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
   It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
   there seemed to be infinite land for people to
   spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
  Nope.
Yes:
"When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
there seemed to be infinite land for people to
spread out into. "
Post by Gronk
   Another issue at the time, which still persists,
   is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
   and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
   State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
   the op to find someplace more generally to their
   liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  Um ... both derive from similar thinking/issues.
Um... no. Unless you can explain how.
Post by Gronk
   Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
   repeating structure and institutions from the top
   down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
   but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
   wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
  "Educational" - so be educated.
Trying to impart some education to you.
Post by Gronk
   More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
   "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
   traditional way things are broken up into districts
   encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
   I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
   want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
  The House isn't important ???
Didn't say that. Was pointing out to you where it
is relevant.
  Guess we can just save time and money and
  get RID of it then .......
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-04 06:19:39 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Post by Gronk
   When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
   of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
   It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
   there seemed to be infinite land for people to
   spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
   Nope.
"When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
there seemed to be infinite land for people to
spread out into. "
Post by Gronk
   Another issue at the time, which still persists,
   is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
   and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
   State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
   the op to find someplace more generally to their
   liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
   Um ... both derive from similar thinking/issues.
Um... no. Unless you can explain how.
Just research WHY there are both a Congress AND Senate.
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
   Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
   repeating structure and institutions from the top
   down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
   but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
   wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
   "Educational" - so be educated.
Trying to impart some education to you.
Not so sure ...
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
   More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
   "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
   traditional way things are broken up into districts
   encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
   I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
   want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
   The House isn't important ???
Didn't say that. Was pointing out to you where it
is relevant.
The HOUSE is the 'popular vote', the Senate
is the Per/Equal STATE vote. Again, this is
the "United STATES", not the "Soviet Republic
Of" .......

Accounting/splitting BOTH political realities
maybe yields an overall "best" result.

As said, fair args can be made for keeping, or
eliminating, the EC. On the flip, we've used it
for 200+ years now and there just doesn't seem
to be any COMPELLING reason to change everything.
Gronk
2024-11-09 05:47:47 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Post by Gronk
   When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
   of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
   It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
   there seemed to be infinite land for people to
   spread out into.
And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
   Nope.
"When the EC was created nobody imagined cities
of 10+ million or states with gigantic pops.
It was all horse-n-buggy and family farms and
there seemed to be infinite land for people to
spread out into. "
Post by Gronk
   Another issue at the time, which still persists,
   is "State's Rights". It's why there's a Senate
   and part of the EC story. The states-within-the-
   State model has done FAIRLY well and gives people
   the op to find someplace more generally to their
   liking and thinking.
Nothing to do with the EC.
   Um ... both derive from similar thinking/issues.
Um... no. Unless you can explain how.
  Just research WHY there are both a Congress AND Senate.
Which has what to do with the EC?
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
   Indeed the entire US system is quite "fractal" -
   repeating structure and institutions from the top
   down to the Garden Club. Fractal can be a bit complex,
   but it's tough - no Central Pillar to knock down and
   wipe out the entire thing.
Nothing to do with the EC.
   "Educational" - so be educated.
Trying to impart some education to you.
  Not so sure ...
Well, trumpbillies are hard to educate... hang
in there!
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Post by Gronk
   More than the EC, I think *the* voting issue is instead
   "Gerrymandering". It's a constant annoyance and the
   traditional way things are broken up into districts
   encourages constant partisan tampering with the maps.
   I see no good and acceptable way OUT of this - if you
   want to keep the peace.
Gerrymandering is related to the House. Not the
Senate nor the presidency.
   The House isn't important ???
Didn't say that. Was pointing out to you where it
is relevant.
  The HOUSE is the 'popular vote', the Senate
  is the Per/Equal STATE vote. Again, this is
  the "United STATES", not the "Soviet Republic
  Of" .......
  Accounting/splitting BOTH political realities
  maybe yields an overall "best" result.
Which has what to do with the EC?
  As said, fair args can be made for keeping, or
  eliminating, the EC. On the flip, we've used it
  for 200+ years now and there just doesn't seem
  to be any COMPELLING reason to change everything.
How many countries in the world have adopted
an EC?
John Doe
2024-11-04 17:58:30 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Exactly. The idea that pretty much the only presidential votes that
matter are a hundred thousand each in a half-dozen states is beyond
ludicrous. The candidates should be working for all American votes, not
just those few. I think I should have as much say as any other American
does.
Skeeter
2024-11-04 18:32:19 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Exactly. The idea that pretty much the only presidential votes that
matter are a hundred thousand each in a half-dozen states is beyond
ludicrous. The candidates should be working for all American votes, not
just those few. I think I should have as much say as any other American
does.
Cry a river.
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-04 18:45:32 UTC
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The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Exactly. The idea that pretty much the only presidential votes that
matter are a hundred thousand each in a half-dozen states is beyond
ludicrous. The candidates should be working for all American votes, not
just those few. I think I should have as much say as any other American
does.
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?

Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
John Doe
2024-11-04 19:53:03 UTC
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https://phys.org/news/2024-10-country-electoral-college.html
The popular vote would be FAR harder to tamper with.
Correct. As would republican attempts at voter
suppression.
   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
   Ah ... neo-Marxist   :-)
No. Cognizant of how times have changed.
Exactly. The idea that pretty much the only presidential votes that
matter are a hundred thousand each in a half-dozen states is beyond
ludicrous. The candidates should be working for all American votes, not
just those few. I think I should have as much say as any other American
does.
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
Actually, wanting America to be the best she can be and wanting all
Americans to have an equal say in who our president is, is the ultimate
in patriotism.

The idea that anyone who sees room for improvement in the country should
leave the country they love is beyond ludicrous.
Governor Swill
2024-11-05 05:36:47 UTC
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So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC. It's the winner take all elector assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
John Doe
2024-11-05 05:41:33 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC. It's the winner take all elector assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
Siri Cruise
2024-11-05 07:36:30 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an
Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that
problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior
in letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties among states. The states can agree to make their EC
electors proportional to votes.
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John Doe
2024-11-05 17:16:44 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
I agree. This is a terrific plan because it avoids the problem that the
US congressional members of the Trump Party would never vote to support
an amendment to allow all votes to count equally.
Lil dwarf Rudey
2024-11-05 18:29:07 UTC
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This is a terrific plan because it avoids the problem that the US
congressional members of the Trump Part
You are a rampant public death threat maker and Suckramento dwarf named
Jonathan D Ball.

FOAD, you traitor to America~!

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
of living and dead posters wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
is an important step to getting there.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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Gronk
2024-11-09 05:51:55 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-09 12:35:51 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Siri Cruise
2024-11-09 13:02:32 UTC
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Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
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Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-09 13:20:20 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
...and a big part of the electoral college gives each state the same
voting power.
Siri Cruise
2024-11-09 14:24:30 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
...and a big part of the electoral college gives each state the same
voting power.
A big part of the College is different states can have different
number electors and each state decide how to choose electors
answerable to the voters of the state.
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Gronk
2024-11-11 05:41:18 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
...and a big part of the electoral college gives each state the same
voting power.
That explains why all presidential candidates
spend weeks in Rhode Island and North Dakota...
Citizen Winston Smith
2024-11-09 17:20:25 UTC
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Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
Siri Cruise
2024-11-09 18:38:57 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall
by voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
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Citizen Winston Smith
2024-11-09 19:22:09 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall by
voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
Gronk
2024-11-11 05:42:43 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall by
voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-12 05:30:09 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall by
voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional

The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.

Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
electors CAN be nailed hard if they try to break
that promise.

This kinda undermines one special aspect of HAVING
electors in the first place. Maybe it IS time to
go with the pop vote ... but I STILL don't want any
of today's pols anywhere NEAR the Constitution.
Maybe in 20 or 30 years if things calm down ...
Gronk
2024-11-13 05:20:23 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall by
voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
  Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
  while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
  Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote. They can be more than willing to take
what ever the penalty is.
  electors CAN be nailed hard if they try to break
  that promise.
  This kinda undermines one special aspect of HAVING
  electors in the first place. Maybe it IS time to
Past time.
  go with the pop vote ... but I STILL don't want any
  of today's pols anywhere NEAR the Constitution.
  Maybe in 20 or 30 years if things calm down ...
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-13 05:33:34 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall
by voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
movie about that ?

If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
counterfeit money ...

But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
intimidating electors. We're on to it.
Gronk
2024-11-17 06:01:00 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall
by voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
  Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
  BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
  movie about that ?
  If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
  and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
  once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
  counterfeit money ...
Their votes count. Period. Whether they change themn
or not. A faithless elector may very well indeed
be willing to take the penalty. After all, we have
laws against murder and arson, and they still happen.
  But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
  intimidating electors. We're on to it.
That's something yer Sleepies do. You know, like
threatening officials and such.
186282@ud0s4.net
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to recall
by voters. The will of the state is the will of the state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
   Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
   BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
   movie about that ?
   If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
   and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
   once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
   counterfeit money ...
Their votes count. Period. Whether they change themn
or not. A faithless elector may very well indeed
be willing to take the penalty. After all, we have
laws against murder and arson, and they still happen.
   But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
   intimidating electors. We're on to it.
That's something yer Sleepies do. You know, like
threatening officials and such.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional

Got it from yer fellow travlers at NPR.

Sorry, but you're NOT gonna un-do Trump/MAGA now.
Gronk
2024-11-23 05:46:22 UTC
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Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to
recall by voters. The will of the state is the will of the
state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
   Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
   BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
   movie about that ?
   If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
   and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
   once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
   counterfeit money ...
Their votes count. Period. Whether they change themn
or not. A faithless elector may very well indeed
be willing to take the penalty. After all, we have
laws against murder and arson, and they still happen.
   But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
   intimidating electors. We're on to it.
That's something yer Sleepies do. You know, like
threatening officials and such.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
They can pass all the laws they want on
faithless electors but they don't kick in
until AFTER they vote.
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Got it from yer fellow travlers at NPR.
Sorry, but you're NOT gonna un-do Trump/MAGA now.
Your fellow travelers at FAKX News won't
have to cover for FAKE electors!
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-23 05:57:07 UTC
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Post by Citizen Winston Smith
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to
recall by voters. The will of the state is the will of the
state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
   Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
   BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
   movie about that ?
   If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
   and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
   once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
   counterfeit money ...
Their votes count. Period. Whether they change themn
or not. A faithless elector may very well indeed
be willing to take the penalty. After all, we have
laws against murder and arson, and they still happen.
   But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
   intimidating electors. We're on to it.
That's something yer Sleepies do. You know, like
threatening officials and such.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
They can pass all the laws they want on
faithless electors but they don't kick in
until AFTER they vote.
But those faux-votes can be CANCELLED

Make a pledge - STICK to it !

And then the fraudsters can be put in jail.
Post by Gronk
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Got it from yer fellow travlers at NPR.
Sorry, but you're NOT gonna un-do Trump/MAGA now.
Your fellow travelers at FAKX News won't
have to cover for FAKE electors!
Actually never watch them anymore since they
went relatively 'woke'.

OK, Carlson was/is having a mental breakdown ....
fuckin' Putin suck-up ......

In any case, you're hoping FRAUD will still
win you the election. How sad ! How Woke !
How Dem !

And you still rant about a 'threat to democracy' ...

Look in the mirror.
Gronk
2024-11-30 06:17:41 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
The Electoral College elects the president.
The Electoral College is to do the WILL of the respective
states, period.
The state legislature decide how electors are chosen, and the
legislature is elected by voters, and sometimes subject to
recall by voters. The will of the state is the will of the
state's voters.
Ergo the electors must accede to the will of the voters, period.
In theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
   Actually, there was a USSC ruling a little
   while back that forbids "faithless electors" ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court has unanimously upheld laws across the
country that remove or punish rogue Electoral College delegates
who refuse to cast their votes for the presidential candidate
they were pledged to support.
   Sorry Wokie, but a promise is a promise and now
Sorry Sleepy, but penalies wouldn't kick in
til AFTER they changed or refused to cast that
vote.
   Well, we normally don't charge people with crimes
   BEFORE they're committed. Wasn't there a Tom Cruise
   movie about that ?
   If electors are "faithless" they've committed a crime
   and their illegal votes are very unlikely to count
   once it's all thrashed out. Basically they'd be offering
   counterfeit money ...
Their votes count. Period. Whether they change themn
or not. A faithless elector may very well indeed
be willing to take the penalty. After all, we have
laws against murder and arson, and they still happen.
   But I know yer Wokies are ultra-desperate and may TRY
   intimidating electors. We're on to it.
That's something yer Sleepies do. You know, like
threatening officials and such.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
They can pass all the laws they want on
faithless electors but they don't kick in
until AFTER they vote.
  But those faux-votes can be CANCELLED
  Make a pledge - STICK to it !
  And then the fraudsters can be put in jail.
Post by Gronk
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Got it from yer fellow travlers at NPR.
Sorry, but you're NOT gonna un-do Trump/MAGA now.
Your fellow travelers at FAKX News won't
have to cover for FAKE electors!
  Actually never watch them anymore since they
  went relatively 'woke'.
Riiight.
  OK, Carlson was/is having a mental breakdown ....
  fuckin' Putin suck-up ......
  In any case, you're hoping FRAUD will still
  win you the election. How sad ! How Woke !
  How Dem !
What are you babbling about now?
  And you still rant about a 'threat to democracy' ...
  Look in the mirror.
Concentration camps for migrants... what do
you call that?



https://truthout.org/articles/trump-claims-he-has-a-presidential-mandate-the-data-says-otherwise/

It’s hard to consider a presidential election
victory a mandate, for example, when the
candidate in question doesn’t win a majority
of votes in the popular vote count. That’s the
case for Trump in 2024, as his 77,034,011 votes
make up just 49.86 percent of the total votes
cast. While he attained more votes than his
Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, more people
voted for her and third party candidates than
for Trump.
Gronk
2024-11-11 05:40:15 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-11 06:37:21 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote. I've
given args why it should persist, others gave args
about removing it, but all in all it works pretty
well. One of those "odd historical artifacts". Every
nation has those.

And, really, I don't want ANY congress, ANY party,
fucking with The Constitution in these divisive
days and times. Can ONLY result in "worse".

John Kerry recently complained that the 1st Amendment
was a terrible drag on govt censoring "fake news",
ie "ideas The State doesn't want you to think about".
Are THESE the kind of people you want fucking with
The Constitution ? Horrors !!!

Maybe in 50 years. Maybe. But I have doubts ...
Mitchell Holman
2024-11-11 14:18:57 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
Hillary won the popular vote.

Reagan won the popular vote.

Gore won the popular vote.

Bush won the popular vote

Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.





Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018

President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-11 14:37:55 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior
in
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by John Doe
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
Hillary won the popular vote.
Reagan won the popular vote.
Gore won the popular vote.
Bush won the popular vote
Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen anytime soon, but do keep whining about it.
Yak
2024-11-11 14:49:09 UTC
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Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior
in
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by John Doe
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
Hillary won the popular vote.
Reagan won the popular vote.
Gore won the popular vote.
Bush won the popular vote
Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
This is why we have the EC:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbyr5aUXYB4swH7?format=jpg&name=large
Lou Bricano
2024-11-11 16:24:34 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior
in
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by John Doe
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
    Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
    the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
    things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
      Hillary won the popular vote.
      Reagan won the popular vote.
      Gore won the popular vote.
      Bush won the popular vote
      Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
This is why we have the EC: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbyr5aUXYB4swH7?
format=jpg&name=large
No. The electoral college serves no legitimate purpose. Counties or any other
arbitrary geographical jurisdictions don't vote.
Mitchell Holman
2024-11-11 19:03:43 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior
in
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by John Doe
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
Hillary won the popular vote.
Reagan won the popular vote.
Gore won the popular vote.
Bush won the popular vote
Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbyr5aUXYB4swH7?format=jpg&name=large
This is why we have ditch the EC:



Trump Allies Charged Yet Again Over
Fake Elector Scheme
JUNE 7, 2024
https://prospect.org/justice/2024-06-07-trump-allies-charged-fake-
elector-scheme/



Woman charged in Arizona fake elector
case pleads guilty
August 6, 2024
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/woman-charged-arizona-fake-elector-case-
pleads-guilty/story?id=112628710



Arizona fake electors case will proceed
August 5, 2024
https://www.kawc.org/news/2024-08-05/arizona-fake-electors-case-will-
proceed
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-11 22:10:34 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far
superior
Post by Yak
Post by Siri Cruise
in
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by John Doe
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively
treaties
Post by ***@ud0s4.net
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Siri Cruise
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
the most part. NO POINT in all the BS needed to change
things. The EC is never FAR from the pop vote.
Hillary won the popular vote.
Reagan won the popular vote.
Gore won the popular vote.
Bush won the popular vote
Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbyr5aUXYB4swH7?format=jpg&name=large
Go ahead... Can I watch?
Gronk
2024-11-13 05:24:42 UTC
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Trump Allies Charged Yet Again Over
Fake Elector Scheme
JUNE 7, 2024
https://prospect.org/justice/2024-06-07-trump-allies-charged-fake-
elector-scheme/
Woman charged in Arizona fake elector
case pleads guilty
August 6, 2024
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/woman-charged-arizona-fake-elector-case-
pleads-guilty/story?id=112628710
Arizona fake electors case will proceed
August 5, 2024
https://www.kawc.org/news/2024-08-05/arizona-fake-electors-case-will-
proceed
Don't forget all the lawfare suits that
wasted time and money.
Gronk
2024-11-13 05:23:16 UTC
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      Hillary won the popular vote.
      Reagan won the popular vote.
      Gore won the popular vote.
      Bush won the popular vote
      Even Trump wants to switch to the popular vote.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbyr5aUXYB4swH7?format=jpg&name=large
Land doesn't vote. Take a look at a real map

https://worldmapper.org/us-presidential-election-2024/
Gronk
2024-11-17 05:57:12 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
  Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-17 06:11:43 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
Stupidity abounds :-)

The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
be done.
J Carlson
2024-11-17 19:26:08 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds
/non sequitur/
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
It serves no legitimate purpose. There is no valid reason for the president not
to be elected by popular vote, as *all* other elective offices in the country
are. None of the arguments against a popular vote hold any water, and none of
the arguments *for* an EC hold any water.

There are plenty of features of "our democracy" that are somewhat undemocratic,
such as appointed judges, requirements for super-majorities in some situations,
constitutional limitations on laws, etc. But the EC is spectacularly and
needlessly *anti*-democratic, and for no legitimate purpose.
Gronk
2024-11-23 05:48:06 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
  with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
  too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
  be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
186282@ud0s4.net
2024-11-23 05:58:59 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
   Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
Trump STILL would have won :-)
Post by Gronk
   The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
   and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
   with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
   too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
   be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
Umm ... no .......

Say, what time of day DO you get all Gronked ?
Gronk
2024-11-30 06:19:04 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an
Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
   Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  Trump STILL would have won  :-)
Post by Gronk
   The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
   and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
   with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
   too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
   be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
  Umm ... no .......
  Say, what time of day DO you get all Gronked ?
No EC, no need for electors, just a popular
vote like every other elected office in this
country. And that means you magats can push
fake electors...



https://truthout.org/articles/trump-claims-he-has-a-presidential-mandate-the-data-says-otherwise/

It’s hard to consider a presidential election
victory a mandate, for example, when the
candidate in question doesn’t win a majority
of votes in the popular vote count. That’s the
case for Trump in 2024, as his 77,034,011 votes
make up just 49.86 percent of the total votes
cast. While he attained more votes than his
Democratic opponent, Kamala Harris, more people
voted for her and third party candidates than
for Trump.
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-23 07:29:22 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
  with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
  too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
  be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
Nope
Gronk
2024-11-30 06:11:25 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an
Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
  with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
  too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
  be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
Nope
How can there be fake electors without an EC?
Mitchell Holman
2024-11-30 14:33:40 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:51:55 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses
an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating
that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all
elector assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
  with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
  too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
  be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
Nope
How can there be fake electors without an EC?
Even Trump wants to get rid of the EC.



Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018

President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-30 20:54:45 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:51:55 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
Post by John Doe
Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:45:32 -0500, Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses
an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating
that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all
elector assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
   Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  Stupidity abounds  :-)
That's why we need to ditch the EC.
  The EC is kinda weird, but basically it works OK
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
  and I don't want anyone - esp anytime soon - messing
  with the constitution. That INCLUDES Trump. It's all
  too partisan at the moment, naught but evil would
  be done.
Get rid of the EC and this nonsense
goes away.
Nope
How can there be fake electors without an EC?
Even Trump wants to get rid of the EC.
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Gronk
2024-12-01 06:10:58 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-01 09:19:20 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Mitchell Holman
2024-12-01 14:48:01 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?

The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-01 16:39:51 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
2) It's a different country today
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.

It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Mitchell Holman
2024-12-01 19:27:11 UTC
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Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
As I said, I agree with you.

Don't you find it odd that the
conservatives who champion LESS
government bureaucracy enshrine MORE
government bureaucracy?
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-01 19:51:54 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."

It will take voting power away from the lessor populated states and
give it to the heavily populated states.

That's why the lessor populated states will reject abolishing the EC.

There aren't heavily populated states to do it.

So....
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
As I said, I agree with you.
Don't you find it odd that the
conservatives who champion LESS
government bureaucracy enshrine MORE
government bureaucracy?
<LOL> Hollowhed lives in his own little private world where up is
down and in is out.
J Carlson
2024-12-02 04:24:39 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state,"
So?
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-02 08:19:53 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state,"
So?
So the lessor populated states won't be willing to do it.
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-02 08:16:25 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:10:58 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC
to
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish
their
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."
The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the state's
legislature to the states voting citizens. It stayed in the state,
Dummy.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
It will take voting power away from the lessor populated states and
give it to the heavily populated states.
Elections should be determined by voters,
not "electors" picked by state politicians.
So you say... don't hold your breath.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
That's why the lessor populated states will reject abolishing the EC.
The same ones that voted FOR the 17th?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
There aren't heavily populated states to do it.
So....
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
As I said, I agree with you.
Don't you find it odd that the
conservatives who champion LESS
government bureaucracy enshrine MORE
government bureaucracy?
<LOL> Hollowhed lives in his own little private world where up is
down and in is out.
Who created the TSA? - conservatives.
Who created the "Dept of Homeland Security" - conservatives.
Who is creating a "Dept of Government Efficiancy"? - conservatives.
Try to stay on subject, Hollowhead.
Siri Cruise
2024-12-02 15:35:24 UTC
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The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the state's
legislature to the states voting citizens. It stayed in the state,
Dummy.
It magically transferred power to Democrats.
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J Carlson
2024-12-02 16:23:50 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:10:58 -0700, Gronk
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC
to
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish
their
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."
The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the state's
legislature to the states voting citizens.
As would eliminating the EC.
Skeeter
2024-12-02 18:21:28 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:10:58 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC
to
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish
their
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."
The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the state's
legislature to the states voting citizens.
As would eliminating the EC.
which you disagreed with when trump won.
Mitchell Holman
2024-12-02 19:11:57 UTC
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On Sun, 01 Dec 2024 19:27:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman
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On Sun, 01 Dec 2024 14:48:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:10:58 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC
to
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Mitchell Holman
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to
diminish
their
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
power to elect the President and give that power to the
higher populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their
citizens, doing away with the EC takes power completely away
from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."
The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the
state's legislature to the states voting citizens.
As would eliminating the EC.
which you disagreed with when trump won.
Even Trump wants the EC eliminated.
J Carlson
2024-12-02 20:45:46 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:10:58 -0700, Gronk
Post by Gronk
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:33:40 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC
to
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve
of
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish
their
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Mitchell Holman
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
Their lobbyists do, for sure.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
That was back when conservatives
actually believed in limiting the
power of government.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
The states "transfered their power
to the their citizens" before, they can
do it again.
Like I said, and you ignored, "doing away with the EC takes power
completely away from the state," Dummy."
The 17th Amendment did the exact same thing.
No, you pathetic moron. It just transferred the power of the state's
legislature to the states voting citizens.
As would eliminating the EC.
which you disagreed with when trump won.
No, I always have maintained the EC should be eliminated. It should be. There is
not a single legitimate purpose for it.
Gronk
2024-12-07 05:40:25 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
So?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-07 07:50:08 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Which, as I've expained, is a far more difficult thing to do, today.
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
So?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
Siri Cruise
2024-12-07 12:13:42 UTC
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The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
At the time of the Constitution states had all necessary
mechanisms to elect everything but senators. Electing senators was
easy to jam into electing governors.

There was then no and still now no mechanism to run synchronised
elections with the same rules in two or more states. Any such
rules would come from Congress which half the time is run by
neanderthals and rest of the time by angels.
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Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-07 12:21:40 UTC
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The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
At the time of the Constitution states had all necessary
mechanisms to elect everything but senators. Electing senators was
easy to jam into electing governors.
There was then no and still now no mechanism to run synchronised
elections with the same rules in two or more states. Any such
rules would come from Congress which half the time is run by
neanderthals and rest of the time by angels.
??? word salad...
pothead
2024-12-07 14:56:41 UTC
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Post by Gronk
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
At the time of the Constitution states had all necessary
mechanisms to elect everything but senators. Electing senators was
easy to jam into electing governors.
There was then no and still now no mechanism to run synchronised
elections with the same rules in two or more states. Any such
rules would come from Congress which half the time is run by
neanderthals and rest of the time by angels.
??? word salad...
Siri's been watching reruns of Kamala Harris speeches again.
We need to break him/her of that habit.
ROTFLMAO!
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2024-12-14 05:54:48 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Which, as I've expained, is a far more difficult thing to do, today.
"Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC..." as *I* explained...
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
So?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
Hence the LACK of appeal of an EC...
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-14 08:18:04 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Which, as I've expained, is a far more difficult thing to do, today.
"Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC..." as *I* explained...
<LOL> for that to happen, the big population centers would have to go
heavily conservative while the small population states would have to
go liberal.

How soon do you think that's going to happen?
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
So?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
Hence the LACK of appeal of an EC...
...and yet it's not going to happen anytime soon.
Skeeter
2024-12-14 13:39:28 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states.
So?
The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Which, as I've expained, is a far more difficult thing to do, today.
"Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC..." as *I* explained...
<LOL> for that to happen, the big population centers would have to go
heavily conservative while the small population states would have to
go liberal.
How soon do you think that's going to happen?
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Gronk
Post by Blue Lives Matter
2) It's a different country today
So?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
3) The 17th A change just transferred the power to their citizens,
doing away with the EC takes power completely away from the state.
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
Hence the LACK of appeal of an EC...
...and yet it's not going to happen anytime soon.
We won. Get over it.
Governor Swill
2024-12-15 02:40:20 UTC
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The states "agreed to diminish
their power" when they ratified the
17th Amendment.
1) Many state legislatures regret that decision
All they have to do is change the Constitution.
Which, as I've expained, is a far more difficult thing to do, today.
"Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC..." as *I* explained...
<LOL> for that to happen, the big population centers would have to go
heavily conservative while the small population states would have to
go liberal.
Nonsense. It's only necessary for a winner to take 51% of the vote in enough
states to win the Electors.
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How soon do you think that's going to happen?
Did that happen when the conservative lost in 2020?
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Hence the LACK of appeal of an EC...
...and yet it's not going to happen anytime soon.
The EC will never be changed as long as any minority party can engineer a win
with it contrary to the popular vote.

The EC was set up for reasons that no longer exist.

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2024-12-15 03:31:00 UTC
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The EC will never be changed as long as any minority party can engineer a win
with it contrary to the popular vote.
The EC was set up for reasons that no longer exist.
EC is good approximation of the population distribution in the
states. If states chose electors proportionally with how their
voters vote, the EC would be close to the popular vote with
Republicans in Congress fucking around with voting in your state.

When the Constitution was written only states could run elections.
There was no national voting.

The other 48 states could choose proportionality in a few days. No
amendment is needed for states to do what they have the power to do.
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Governor Swill
2024-12-16 00:50:57 UTC
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The EC will never be changed as long as any minority party can engineer a win
with it contrary to the popular vote.
The EC was set up for reasons that no longer exist.
EC is good approximation of the population distribution in the
states. If states chose electors proportionally with how their
voters vote, the EC would be close to the popular vote with
Republicans in Congress fucking around with voting in your state.
When the Constitution was written only states could run elections.
There was no national voting.
The other 48 states could choose proportionality in a few days. No
amendment is needed for states to do what they have the power to do.
Precisely. It's not a Constitutional issue.
Siri Cruise
2024-12-16 08:33:57 UTC
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The EC will never be changed as long as any minority party can engineer a win
with it contrary to the popular vote.
The EC was set up for reasons that no longer exist.
EC is good approximation of the population distribution in the
states. If states chose electors proportionally with how their
voters vote, the EC would be close to the popular vote with
Republicans in Congress fucking around with voting in your state.
When the Constitution was written only states could run elections.
There was no national voting.
The other 48 states could choose proportionality in a few days. No
amendment is needed for states to do what they have the power to do.
Precisely. It's not a Constitutional issue.
I read your second post after the above.
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Governor Swill
2024-12-15 02:35:58 UTC
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The EC takes power away from the people. If an
EC were so good, then all elections, mayor, state
reps and senators, governors, would have something
like it.
Well, no, the difference is that for the President, the Constitution
says that the states elect the president, while no such law exists in
all the other elections you named.
Hence the LACK of appeal of an EC...
The EC itself is not a problem. The problem is that the states use a winner
take all system. If a candidate wins 60% of the votes in a state, he gets 100%
of the EC votes. In this scenario, it's not uncommon in close races for the
winner of the popular vote to lose the election.

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Gronk
2024-12-07 05:37:16 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit,
that the republicons will go all for it when it
works against them...
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-07 07:51:52 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit,
that the republicons will go all for it when it
works against them...
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Gronk
2024-12-14 05:55:44 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit,
that the republicons will go all for it when it
works against them...
Assumes facts not in evidence.
"Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote"
Blue Lives Matter
2024-12-14 08:18:41 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit,
that the republicons will go all for it when it
works against them...
Assumes facts not in evidence.
"Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote"
It's not going to happen anytime soon.
Governor Swill
2024-12-15 02:41:12 UTC
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Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote
04/26/2018
President Donald Trump on Thursday voiced
support for doing away with the Electoral
College for presidential elections in favor
of a popular vote because the latter would
be much easier to win.
http://tinyurl.com/y92yskrc
It's not going to happen, anytime soon
Wait for the magats to win the popular vote but
lose in the EC...
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit, that for the EC to
go away requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures have to approve of
it. In other words, 38 states would have to agree to diminish their
power to elect the President and give that power to the higher
populated states. You're talking "cold day in hell," here.
Do you not even understand, you pathetic half-wit,
that the republicons will go all for it when it
works against them...
Assumes facts not in evidence.
"Trump pushes to swap Electoral College for popular vote"
It's not going to happen anytime soon.
Agreed.

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Blue Lives Matter
2024-11-17 07:37:19 UTC
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So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC.  It's the winner take all elector
assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
Very true. A uniform proportional allotment would be far superior in
letting all Americans have a clear say.
The Constitution allows state compacts which are effectively treaties
among states. The states can agree to make their EC electors
proportional to votes.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Sorry, (not really) but thr states elect the President, not the
people.
Sorry, (not really) but that would still be the
case under National Popular Vote.
  Well ... at minimum ... say that the EC "works OK" for
Not good enough. We don't use an EC for anything
else. And if it "works OK", why hasn't the rest
of the world switched to it???
Don't know. Don't care. Simple fact is that you're never going to get
3/4 of the states to ratify the change.
Gronk
2024-11-09 05:51:11 UTC
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So, it's a problem for you to live in a country that uses an Electoral
College to elect the President?
Would you like ne to review your choices for mitigating that problem?
The problem isn't the EC. It's the winner take all elector assignment used by
48 of the 50 states.
That would help some. Some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

Then there's this

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

"The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee
the Presidency to the candidate who receives the
most popular votes in all 50 states and the
District of Columbia..."
Siri Cruise
2024-10-28 06:05:54 UTC
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   You can argue it either way - the EC has a few
   advantage for states, the pop vote kinda vanishes
   the states but may be more tamper-resistant.
There are no advantages. None.
There is one simple advantage.

And you refuse to say how to elect president without EC.
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2024-10-29 19:42:05 UTC
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And youn just outlined some reasons what the EC needs
to go.
The problem is not the EC. That is, effectively, nothing more than ceremony,
formality.

The problem is in the way the states' electoral votes are distributed within
each state.
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2024-10-15 13:42:48 UTC
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https://phys.org/news/2024-10-country-electoral-college.html
. . .
  Well, most countries ........  :-(
  The logic behind the EC
The *only* logic behind the electoral college was to promote slavery.
John Doe
2024-10-15 19:31:39 UTC
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. . .
   Well, most countries ........  :-(
   The logic behind the EC
The *only* logic behind the electoral college was to promote slavery.
Exactly. The less populous states already get an outsized vote in the
Senate. That should be enough.
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2024-10-15 22:03:17 UTC
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. . .
Well, most countries ........ :-(
The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
equalizes the political power/value of each
individual state.
No it doesn't "equalize" shit. What's the difference between California
and NY deciding the election and 4 or 5 swing states? The votes of most
Americans are not accounted for regardless.

If there was no EC (as in every other major democracy around the world)
we wouldn't have 50 "mini-elections" and practically a zero chance for
any sizable election-deciding fraud Republicans are always harping on.

But Republicans, with their chronically unpopular policies, want the EC
especially these days so they can sew as much chaos around the outcome
of the election as possible.
John Doe
2024-10-15 22:33:16 UTC
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. . .
   Well, most countries ........  :-(
   The logic behind the EC is similar to the logic
   behind having a separate Senate - it kind of
   equalizes the political power/value of each
   individual state.
No it doesn't "equalize" shit. What's the difference between California
and NY deciding the election and 4 or 5 swing states? The votes of most
Americans are not accounted for regardless.
If there was no EC (as in every other major democracy around the world)
we wouldn't have 50 "mini-elections" and practically a zero chance for
any sizable election-deciding fraud Republicans are always harping on.
But Republicans, with their chronically unpopular policies, want the EC
especially these days so they can sew as much chaos around the outcome
of the election as possible.
Yup. Gerrymandering is the real problem, I think.

A normal party in the GOP position would be adapting their platform to
include more citizens and represent the goals of those citizens. Today's
GOP is instead concentrating on putting up roadblocks in the way of the
people they don't like voting.
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